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Ask they guy how his family feels. Im sure he's touched them and could describe them well.
Any legal recourse may be an uphill battle. You would have to find that MySpace was to blame.
One way to do that would be to prove that adequate age verification software exists and MySpace negligently refused to implement the software.
Remember, MySpace did not fail the girl by allowing a perv to contact her. They failed her by allowing her on MySpace because she is too young.
You can't guarantee any such thing. One thing I can guarantee, however, is if he is convicted of raping little kids, he will never again touch or even hug his own children until they are adults. If they still want anything to do with his child-touching ass.
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You are right to correct me. It wasn't rape. Just 10 separate counts of lewd and lascivious battery of a minor. Ten Class 2 felonies.
And he's in jail without bond.
http://tinyurl.com/36qzxe
This guy definitely deserves prison time. The young girls need services - as do the families involved.
Children on the computer at any age should be closely monitored - but it doesn't stop there. We must know where our kids are and what they are doing, check up on them. Teenagers are a lot of hard work. You can't plunk a kid down in front of the PC like you can the TV.
As for offenders, it has been proven that castration does not work. We need to change our thinking, because none of the so called solutions we have come up with have worked. Prevention and education and prison terms that last a life time for hard core offenders, and pedophiles may be a good start. They should not be placed in civil confinement 'hotels' at taxpayers cost. Let them go to Prison.
It is good that myspace is cooperating.
The thing that always gets me, is why these guys continue to do this, even tho' they must see the news reports and programs, or the newspaper and see what happens to someone who preys on young girls on the internet. Do they not recognize themselves? Do they not realize what they are doing?
And for those of you who can't believe he did this, you may want to sit back and think a minute. He was caught going back for seconds - wearing the most ironic T shirt by the way.
So this is a friend of yours? A 37 year old trolling for 12 year olds on MySpace? Who lasciviously sexually battered a 12 year old and a 14 year old TEN TIMES?
Parents can only do so much, but Ed will pay for his reprehensible acts, you Seminole redneck pervert lover... I hope he gets ahold of your kids someday and does the same thing.
This is a 37 year old who lives with his mommy. If you are his friend, please pass along to him that things are much safer for him on the inside, there are a host of people just waiting to pay eddie the perv a visit. Maybe you can tag along with him. For his sake, he'd better not make bond.
Now, he had to have been with the two for a few hours in order to so what he did. What responsible parent lets their child(ren) slip away for that long? Again, I say lock up the fucking parents as well simply for HAVING GIVEN BIRTH for the wrong reasons!!
It does not "take two to tango" when there are children involved. And it does not happen "all the time" and regardless if the child was a certified prostitute with double D's, its still the adult's fault.
That's why kids don't enter into contracts, vote or allowed to smoke or drink. They are considered too young to make good decisions on their own. Adults are supposed to make good decisions, such as not giving the slippy finger to a little kid.
If you are a close friend of this douchebag along with G, I am beginning to see now why he makes such awful decisions. No one around him has ever given him an ounce of good advice.
As for his kids, is there a Mom around? Or are they wards of the state now?
So ed has kids? And he does this?
The parents had to listen as he spoke graphically with the 12 year old about all that they did, what they were going to do, etc. They had to sit there during the sting operation and listen to this gutless, child-raping creep.
This is a 12 year old child. And ed used his mother's Jeep because ed doesn't have a car. Ed's in a world of trouble. He has a host of new friends who want to meet him, if/when he ever gets out. He messed with the wrong people's daughters.
The parents monitored the MySpace and cell phones regularly and discovered it, and reported it. Way to blame the 12 year old victim, you lowlife losers...
Ed will never know from which side it is coming...
First of all, the girl is 12. Let's go out on a limb here and say she's a 12 year old with "loose morals" and did, in fact, lure Mr. Ed into a sexual relationship. The blame still lies on Ed. The 12 year old is too young to know....why the hell am I explaining this?
Fact of the matter: Girl 12, Man 37 with children of his own. He knows right from wrong, and he chose wrong. Now he's going to pay for his sins regardess of wht the "Pedophile Fan Club" has to say.
What could be more sickening than these "people" defending ed.
Ed smooth-talked the girls into coming up to the park at midnight. There he got them in his Jeep and employed child-proof locks.
All of his actions are recorded digitally, he was only too happy to go over the whole episode with the 12 year old.
I just hope his "friends" are there if ed ever gets out because they can become part of the conversation that ed and his friends are going to have with his host of new friends.
You are a total creep and should be locked up next to ed. I wonder how it will be for you if a 37 year old man snuggles with your 12 year old son or daughter...
This sick individual takes the major blame, but we are all to blame here. There is plenty of guilt to go around. Look at the news, look at what we teach our children.
We are reaping what we have sowed.
The parents of the 12 year old monitored her computer and cell phone. They found out the day after. That night she was contacted by Ed on MySpace and the girls broke out a window in the house after midnight.
How much can parents do? Yes, there is some parental culpability but don't forget that the child-rapist is ed. He lured the girls to the park, drove from Pinellas county after midnight, and then he was coming back for seconds.
Death is too good for ed. He needs to feel the pain that he inflicted on these families ten times over. He'll get his...
If the computer and cell phone were monitored, how did this particular incident happen? I have a daughter who is now 24 years old. She hated me for a few years, until she became an adult and understood why her father or myself had to tag along when she went out to concerts or other events. She now understands why she couldn't go to many of the parties her friends had. It was tough. Parents need to be proactive. I am not blaming the victim, just stating the fact that we parents need to do more. There will always be victims and there will always be offenders. Treatment is so important and I hope these girls are getting the treatment they will need to heal so this does not become their future. They could pass on their knowledge to other kids.
ED HAS A BAIL HEARING TOMORROW! I HOPE HE MAKES BAIL, OH I HOPE HE MAKES BAIL!!!
That would have made him 17 when you were 13. And he continues to go after the girls that are even younger than you were...
Thanks for your honesty, I hope you are okay.
I know the detectives are looking for additional victims. Even though you are 32 now, this crime has no statute of limitations in case you, or if you know any of the other victims, would come forward.
It would make sure that he is not able to do this to anyone else for a long, long time. He needs to be in jail where he can't hunt and hurt any other little girls. Please let me know if you are willing and I will give you contact information.
Wow, cool to hear from you. How much older was he when you were 13? Want to share your feelings on why you engaged in this relationship with him? It might help inform our ideas about kids and their sexuality.
I notice age 12 gets a lot stronger reaction that age 14. Interesting. There's really not much difference.
The main problem is the newfound support and access for pedophiles. Kids are varying degrees of crazy: confused, high-strung, overly emotional, bad decision-makers. We can hold them responsible to the degree they can grow, but it's never their fault. Even good parents can be tricked and deceived when an adult is aiding the covert operations. It's definitely the offenders who are the problem here.
Not only is the access horrifying, these guys get all sorts of validation. Pedophiles see this conversation, we know they do. What they see is our justifiably violent revulsion, though it is not very informative, and a few self-serving justifications like JJs. They have all sorts of access to people who fill them with crap about kids being into sexual activities with adults.
Kids have to be manipulated to comply with sex from adults. They are almost completely vulnerable to adults. They are not fully formed people who know what's right or how life works. Kids are always hurt by sexual contact with adults. It always negatively impacts them. Some get beyond it for the most part. Others are badly damaged. Sexual attention from adults always makes kids feel icky and dirty. That is the truth of the matter. Though there are degrees in all things, I have never heard of a child reporting otherwise.
Not all pedophiles are without conscience. Some never act on their impulses. What we do not need is purposeful lies deceptively justify outrageously damaging acts. If you are attracted to children, you are not necessarily a bad person. You need help. Get help right away. Medical facilities can refer you to free counseling. You can not be arrested for feelings. Be strong. Prove you're a good, loving person.
And Laurie said that castration is not a cure. She's right, and therapy is crucial. People need understanding to change. But I don't think castration should be such a taboo. It does help these men greatly, depending on their situation. Sex isn't everything. Humanity is much more important. Perhaps, coupled with therapy, castration should be an acceptible, respectible option. Everyone needs hope. Hopelessness can diminish empathy, something sex offenders badly need to cultivate.
Sex drive is a tremendous force. Hard to resist. We often put serious offenders back on the street with no tools. An amputated libido, while it doesn't remove all thoughts and feelings, can be a great tool.
And as for it not being optional, sometimes when someone has a pathology and can't control themselves, we step in. Drunk drivers get their licenses yanked. It is viewed as compassionate to give addicts compulsory treatment. Pedophiles with conscience do not want to offend but they often report feeling helpless. We should step in.
I can't help but feel that we still don't comprehend the damage rape does. In children it often results in lifelong debilitation. It takes a facet of personaltiy that can never be returned. Seems like sentences for sex offenders are still based in the old idea that rape is just some bad sex instead of torture, assault, and a whole assortment of violations. If our society understood the violence this is to a child, the harm it does them, I don't think we'd balk so at castration.
You can't live here and interact sexually with kids. If you intend to remain here, we need to be sure kids are free of adult sexual interactions with you. That's our right. We make our rules.
Our outrage alone is not enough. Clearly such abuse of childhood strikes a primal chord in most of us. But when we deny any humanity in predators, insist on seeing them as evil, we inhibit our ability to see them as people who need treatment. We're not going to execute them upon conviction. We're not going to permit the castration, mutilation or prison rape we often fantasize for them. So what are we going to do? If we tell them they are irredeemable monsters, chances are that's what they'll become. If they're going to be among us eventually, among our children, their treatment needs serious consideration.
We all know and accept that prison is punishment and not rehabilitation for a car thief. He'll probably steal again when he's out and we're ok taking those chances. Murder we impose long sentences because we're not willing to take those chances. What chances are we willing to take with sex offenders? We know they reoffend.
I bet you children are one of the few things most of us might be willing to agree on calling "sacred." So why are we taking these chances, putting active sex offenders, untreated and poorly monitored, among them?
I do not believe there is a statute of limitations. Ed made bond today, the judge is apparently not taking this seriously.
Even if the statute has tolled, Ed is apparently lying about everything, saying this did not happen and nothing similar ever happened before. Detective Raschke needs to speak with you on the phone, please, please call him at 813-247-0450.
Michele, we're so lucky you showed up on this blog. Will you tell us when you've talked to Det Rasche? Damn, I keep thinking how lucky those girls and others are that you're out there.
Thank you so much for your information.
Thanks so much again! Yes, there is a statute but the detective said you will be of great help in showing a pattern of behavior in this monster.
WE are responsible for our children. If something does happen to them, we share the accountability. We are not all powerful, however, and sometimes things happen in the best of homes. Why is it always a matter of blame and guilt?
Is it that the database and all the laws that have been passed on reporting and warning us of pedophiles and offenders, gives us a sense of false security?
Have we talked with our children about sexuality, relationships and other subjects?
Do we know our kids close friends, and their parents?
Most sex offenders are right under our noses.
Sparky - you said that this particular night's communication 'slipped through the crack'. I do not understand how these things happen I guess - because it would seem to me a young girl would need a few conversations before she would go meet someone. I am just trying to understand how this happens, so we as parents can arm ourselves.
The only way we can learn how to keep our children safe is by understanding how it happens. It is never a childs fault when an adult takes advantage of them. Why do we need to always defend a child in this situation? That, to me is a given. We do need to look at all the circumstances, which includes how it happened, the offender, and possible impacts in the community.
If u look at web sites here and there, On one of the sites a girl that goes to school with this 12 year old has a old profile saying she was 18 or 19 can't remember and it reads fuck, shit ya bitches , than gives a phone number. Was it this girls profile linked to this case or this special friend student she lives with. It said her name was Olivia. Any ideas? Is it linked. Ya you hit the nail on the head on this one girl. This guy Red acts like this girl killed his dog. Looks like 1 down for the defense. Also can you tell me how you can research somebody and see what they own or what kind of businesses they are linked too. Esp when a title search does not reveal anything. Thanks J
I believe it is linked to this. That was not a profile I would ever think a 12 yr old would write with her personel number on it. Thats why I can't be all out for the kids in this. If it was a cut and dry case like most are, I would probably help anyway and for free through my company. The sad part is the parents not monitoring anything that they said they were. My kid would have broken legs if it was mine. One thing for the defense is that they have to say there was a motive for young children. A profile like what I saw in the blog with the girls personel E mail and number and date posted on myspace is a little much. I am sure this other characters attn is all over this. As for business and properties most people that are building that special nest egg put properties in trusts and other things. Given you one example; say you get into a car accident someone gets killed. Ok you have a 10 20 10 policy. 2 years later the people of this person that you killed on accident come after you. Well if u don't have anything oh well. If there is a title search it will reveal nothing. Having something in trust is like being a string master on a puppet. Unless you know addresses or other people close to the person that might be in control , You can look them up that way. But it is very hard. There names just don't pop up. People are not dum, there is alot to learn.
It sounds like this girl is a winner. I been doing this for a long time and can sort these kind of people from anywere. Sounds like this girl was laying down at he truck stop. That bad huh? Have a good day , I got tons of cases to sort.
I had a friend that works for the courts, from what he said was the Judge wanted to keep this guy and in the middle of the courtroom asked the state attn if he could keep him. The state attn said no. It sounds like this case took on water from the start. Wasn't there. Just going off what my friend said by the court reporter. So back to this guy on this site about the judge not taking this serious. He did. The state attn even said you can't keep him. A rape kit come back in 48 hours, what happen.
I will not be in court by the way, I have nothing to do with this case.
How many other girls and young women have been abused by this guy. By his age, and judging by the age he started, he will never stop this behavior without some serious treatment.
Does anyone know what happened as far as specific charges are concerned?
Prevention is so important....
Parents need to keep computers visible - in the same room - and check the history to see what websites have been visited. Also, check email accounts. I know there is software that you can get that will record what is said in IM's and Chat Rooms.
Computers are not private machines unless they are off line. And, if you ever go online, someone- a stranger - can access where you have gone and what you have written or said. It is available or stored somewhere.
This young woman will suffer years of trauma because of this experience. It is setting her up unless she gets help. I hope to god someone is there for her.
Not every 12 year old has a penis on their phone. If they do, the phone should not be used by that 12 year old. You the parent are responsible if your child has this type of stuff on their phone. You are setting up your own child. Do something about it now. Maybe a sensitivity course would be good? Sexual Harassment?
This is not teaching a child about their body parts and sexuality in a healthy, respectful or age appropriate manner. That is why we have so many sexual abusers. Talk to your son.
Are there programs offered in the schools?
And, even if Michelle is the 'Michelle' what difference does it make how many children she has or what she looks like? That has nothing to do with someone's credibility and trauma or abuse they may have suffered at the hands of this abuser.
And I can imagine the kind of shit that would be stirred up if abuse was disclosed. Usually, it is a family secret.
An adult has no business having sex with a child. It is very UNFAIR - to name a few reasons why.
So you are buddies of the child-rapist? Which of you is his friend from gib-town?
Fret not, the case against ed is very strong. He will go away for a long, long time. I hope you get caught hanging with him when the chit goes down on him.
If the 14 year old said she was 18 on her site, ed's first tip should have been her braces and under-developed body. ed knew exactly what he was doing, and he came back for more.
You turds are just enablers of ed. We'll see if we can't find out who your "friend" is at the court and see if they can be fired for releasing info about a minor victim in a sexual assault case.
In the meantime, stop trolling the elementary schools for chicks you losers.
People here are also pointing out the 12 and 14 year olds' shared blame with their enticing ways.
There are plenty of curious subtleties, but the bottom line is kids make very bad decisions. It's their job in their early teens. Some teens have very bad examples, and kids are highly dependant on role models. They are vulnerable. We protect the vulnerable.
Kids cannot hold their own against adults. They are too confused, high strung, emotional, and a little nuts. Ask a 19 year old how they feel about how they were at 14 or 15. Most will tell you they were flat out crazy.
parents have a hard enough time monitoring and protecting these kids who are in the midst of tumultuous emotions and confusion. Good parents can miss something when an adult predator is involved, coaxing and interpretting partial truths for the kid. Many kids are pretty helpless to this. Adults are hobbbled when another adult is secretly working behind the scenes.
We can keep looking at the responsibility of parents and kids, because often their behavior is not ideal, but the odds are tough when an adult predator is involved. Predators work very hard to get get what they want. Sex is a crazy-maker too. They need to be dealt with harshly. Children are not sexual objects.
Ours laws often seem to reflect an old attitude about rape that sexual violation is not such a big deal. "It's just sex, they'll have it anyway." We also used to think that a child manipulated and coaxed (so easy!) could consent. Old ideas. Clearly the majority of us are utterly outraged by the violation of a child. Our laws and penalties need to reflect our evolving understanding of the violence of coercing a child into sexual behavior.
Granted, both men manipulated and took advantage of a young girl. The question still holds for the 37 year old - where did he learn this type of behavior and what the sexual norms are for our society? What was he taught?
This is not to say I am defending what he did - I don't - I am asking questions to find out how this happened to begin with.
I also said the young girl will desperately need treatment. I never said or implied it was the young girls fault - I said she was probably a sexualized child. And that her parents need to watch over her.
These are two entirely different cases. That is what is wrong with the way we view sexual abuse - we lump all offenders and sex crimes together, when there are different reasons why offenders abuse. We do not recognize abusers because we have these visions in our heads about what they look like and who they are.
We need to focus on that as well as punishment. Most abusers live with their victims.
How about 21 and 12?
Treatment takes into account all sorts of variables, all the shades of grey: history, intent, consciousness, empathy, remorse....But our criminal sytem has to be pretty cut and dry when it comes to sex with kids. Lacking a subtlely perceptive and responsively caring social structure, we rely on justice to keep our vulnerable safe. It is a sad thing when a criminal has had a wretched life that distorted him, but we are years from being able to deal with it.
We can't risk kids the way we do with our compulsive desire to justify behavior we don't understand or don't want to see or believe.
Are you some kind of deviant, moronic loser?
A 12 year old. A TWELVE YEAR OLD!
I don't care how "advanced" they are, a 12 year old is a CHILD! Any 37 year old loser who does a 12 year old needs to be locked away forever.
And poor ed has lied about the whole thing. In spite of the evidence against him, he told his girlfriend it never happened.
The best thing ed could do is plead guilty, take the max and askfor protective custody. Or commit suicide because some very bad people are just waiting for him...
Parents are the first line of defense for predators. Anyone who thinks a sexually advanced child is responsible, is a predator.
How did that child get the knowledge to begin with?
And, sparky, Dan was not saying that these victims are responsible....ease up people and read the whole response, even if they are long, because they contain alot of information!!!! DON'T RUN WITH ONE SENTENCE AND THINK THAT IS THE WHOLE IDEA.
So wonderful eddie slinks in and gives them some love and self-esteem. If it's not ed's fault then why is he lying about the whole thing?
I don't care about the girls' nicknames, their myspace blogs, etc. Ed is a child-raping monster and he's going to jail. Once there, I predict he will meed a violent end to his child-predation days.
As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, I know that the true answer to stopping this behavior, is by prevention.
This stuff turns my stomach, makes me angry, makes me want to destroy.
Since I have lived with the efft up after effects of abuse I suffered at the very young age of 5, I know the answer is not to simply lock these guys up and not do anything about all the other details events and things that happened leading up to the whole trauma.
I am more concerned with the survivors of these types of crimes. But, I also know that we will not dent what happens if we do not prevent.
If a childhood disease had the same statistics as childhood sexual abuse has, we would be up in arms. And when something like this happens we are up in arms. But then our energies seem to die out and we are not watchful on a daily basis.
If people were dying, becoming ill, left with a host of ailments, after drinking water, wouldn't we look at the causes of how that water become deadly to people? Especially children????
You sound like you got it together. I just want to say if my kid was on other web sites with kids she went to school with. She is only 12. I saw the profile under another students profile along with parents comments and I have to say, these parents did not monitior this kids behavior. She sounds like a real winner too. This girl sounds like a real ganster
Even a first time, even with a fairly narrow age gap, when someone of superior status engages someone of inferior status (age, mental capacity, authority), it's preying, even if it is complex and subtle. Part of the reason pedophiles are attracted to children is because they like the social interactions so much, feel comfortable interacting with a kid and don't get the same charge from adult women. This is true for young men who choose pre-consent age girls too. Now I don't happen to think that urge for the ease of a predatory relationship is necessarily evil, only misunderstood in the young adult. When anyone resists the urge to prey and does not prey, they have my utmost respect.
We're blurring treatment and our laws here. Clearly we are not protecting our children adequately. Clearly far too many parents in this country are not capable parents. And predators are having a field day with the various new supports and access they enjoy. So how do we protect our most sacred trust, our children?
We are far from an ideal society. How I would love it if 14 year old children could come to me and tell me of urges to prey. How I wish there was treatment, a system in place. But there isn't one. It's hit or miss. Far too many kids are hurt. Just about the only thing we can do in our current system is communicate our stance on using children by being severe with criminals. They need to be removed from contact with our kids. They need aggressive treatment. We should not be risking putting them back among our kids.
We can concoct all sorts of scenarios with mitigating greys. With a sophisticated system of treatment, we might fairly address the complexities in each case. (IQ is one near and dear to my heart) But what we have is a very blunt tool. "No underage girls or child porn or you go to jail.) While we attempt to refine it, we still need to keep swinging it.
Let me correct you on something. The judge DID NOT throw out any counts. He just required bail on two counts, and ROR'd him on the other eight counts.
I think you were right all along. Is this na person one of the parents that there kids go to school with. What did she say to you. I am not getting it. Can u fill me in.
Tampa Tribune said:
Several days later, Oberwise sent a text message to the 12-year-old's cell phone asking for another meeting, said sheriff's office spokeswoman Debbie Carter. When Oberwise arrived at the designated meeting place Friday near Hawkpark Boulevard and Lithia Pinecrest Road, deputies were there waiting for him, Carter said.
And the following Tamp Tribune article is dated Jan 26. It provides more details, including DNA evidence on clothing:
www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/26/12-year-olds-shouldnt-have-myspace-pages/
Girls roughly 11 - 16 are compelled to find themselves valuable in a way that they are essentially helpless to. They report spending more time and energy on discovering and creating a sense of value (desirablity) than any other thought in their heads. It is a crucial and irresistable stage of development. They can be desirable teammates, desirable companions, a desirable source of ideas or expertise or entertainment, and easiest of all, they can be seen as desirable sex objects. And what we parents need to know is, they care very little for the source of a sense of value. They gravitate toward the richest reward. Few may comment on her violin playing, mom and dad might seek her dinner companionship infrequently and unenthusiastically, she's not the best artist or student in school, but the response to her flirtations and naughtiness can be overwhelmingly gratifying.
She's looking for a framework to see herself in, a label to understand herself and solidify her value: "I'm creative, an artist." "I am a energetic jock and good student." 'I'm fun and silly and everyone wants me to babysit." "I'm sexy and compelling, a creative flirt mature and and desirable beyond my years."
"People want me." At 12 or 14 or even 16, they don't really care how you want them as long as you do. It is absolutely necessary to them, one way or another.
Any kid under 16 who takes up with an adult is ravenous for approval. We can talk about monitoring all we want, but kids and predators will find a way around monitoring. We need to fill kids up.
I can think of kids who have and kids who would turn in an adult who made advances. They are strong, put a high price on their value, are full of self respect, feel rich in ability,resources, support and desirability. Parents need to give kids that, or they'll get around us to find attention and approval elsewhere.
The DNA evidence is on the clothing. Sounds to me from the euphamistic discriptions that the many counts of "lewd and lascivious battery" means he did not penetrate them but engaged in other acts. Predators often build up to penetration. The term "rape" is often applied to sexual contact of various sorts with kids.
http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/Press_Releases/2008/1/08-020.htm
I'm all for fairness, truly. I hate to see lives ruined by false accusations. But they picked this guy up at the place he arranged to meet the 12 year old, from his cell to hers, then he drove to get with her. I don't care what the DNA source was or where it was found. Those circumstances don't concern me. He met a child to talk her into sexual activity. He crossed the line. He preyed. I'm very thankful he didn't get far with her, but when thinking about his punishment, I don't care much how far he got with her. That's due to the good acts of others, not him.
I guess u are right. Something is diff wrong. I am always for our kids, But this is really screwed up from the start. They are struggling. Or what u said taking in water.
12 year olds go to grown men because they are needy. It appalls me how often being treated like crap at school is part of it. That can overcome good parenting. Kids get labels they didn't earn ALL the time, every day. Kids can be MEAN. They don't know how to be. Parents and other adults need to correct them.
Does he need help? Most certainly. And he had about 20 years to get it. His choice. He chose lots and lots of jail. I hope in jail (until he is old) he has that saving moment when he discovers in himself the abject horror and regret for what he chose to do: harm a child and teach her in a way she will never escape that she is human garbage.
Poor baby. God damn.
Sounds like this poor little girl is having a horrible time. The message is: "Hey Kids! if a perv contacts you and meets you and arranges to meet you never ever tell anyone or you will be labeled a slut and people will avoid you. We will prove you are the garbage you always feared you were. Suck it up! If you're 12 and some nasty old guys wants to pay attention to you, well, that's your problem, nasty girl."
Here's some information you need. Even if there were no chance of being discovered, no matter what, some men would not take the chance to fuck or even fondle a young teen girl. See, some men have empathy and hurting the girl would hurt them. They don't feel desire for the girl. Men can think girls are pretty and yet don't want to fuck them at all. Wow. No seriously, it's true. In fact, brace yourselves, young girls give many men a gross out stomach flip flop when the girls flirt. Now you're thinking that sick feeling is because the man is feeling like he's been found out and imaging what would happen if he enacted his desires. That's you asshole. many many men feel sick by teenage flirtations just because it's icky and inappropriate. I'm not making this up.
We teach our boys with this bullshit. they learn they are (deeply secretly) pigs too.
Men are not pigs. We live in a society that assumes deep in his heart, each man is a pig. It's not true. One way to change this cultural myth is for men to have zero tolerance for unacceptible deviant behavior.
How come you guys aren't blaming the 14 year old? I can think of almost no 12 year olds who wouldn't do precisely what a 14 yea old friend convinced him or her to do.
Pushing the envelope
I think were people differ is the fact that these parents were suppose to be over this girl and wasn't. Nothing really came out intill a couple weeks ago may a little longer give or take. Some of the bullshit this girl pulled on others kids and these parents claiming that they were these greatest parents. What I am saying if you read each one of just this comment section you get a idea. But everything is twisted to make this guy look the best for media. Parents were talking about this girl and this other one that spent the night, But the parents never meet. Pushing the issue and it seems to me everones attitude is that no body is sure. No the girls are not to blame Dan. Their parents are. These people all agree. When you look at the Myspace page of this girl and that she lived with her student friend saying she was 19 and other students moms brought it to the table. One thing claims this guy drove clear across town for this 12 yr old. On one of the comments some asks about which one is friends of this guy from gib town. Did this girl already know him before all this myspace stuff existed
Her parents could be hopeless drug addicts. Whatever. It doesn't matter how bad her parents are or how fucked up she is. We know a grown man drove to meet a 12 year old and met police instead. An we have internet and cell records.
If we're trying to get to the societal ills that make a child think acting like a slut is good, or the problems of parenting in the computer age, or how to handle kids with crappy parents, it really has nothing to do with this predator. All the "taking on water" and questions about did it happen make it seem like there are facts we are missing. Nothing can mitigate what he did, not slutty invitations, not absent parental supervision. They're separate issues.
I don't know much about these parents, but even truly fine parents can have a teen evade them. I've seen truly caring, involved parents miss important things going on in their kids lives. Sometimes kids who are not what the pack finds desirable (special needs, emotionally disturbed, quiet/introspective, socially inept, physically disabled, unattractive, too loud, wild, hell if they want to wear their dad's leather vest, just about anything) can be punished in ways that change who they are and who they become. Social interactions with peers and other adults have immense impact. By ostracizing her, making no way she can win, her community is hurting this girl.
Parents everywhere are in a challenging situation when an adult predator becomes involved. Kids have bad judgement, are confused, volitile, and they all want to be found desirable. This opens kids to the manipulations of an adult. Those manipulations are almost irresistable to them.
Parents and kids have enough problems. They don't need adults acting in secret to coax their kids. Any parent would struggle. because kids under 16 feel sure they are all grown up and we don't understand. We cannot tolerate any degree of predation. There is no excuse for it.
It's fine to examine the subtleties, but they don't bear on the crime.
Now do you see what other people see. When it all came to light.
You make some good points. Kids do try to get over on there parents. Sometime they do. Other times they get there ass beat. It really seems to everyone that they are really trying hard to blast this guy.
We can defend the rights of predators. All those men caught in sting operations, some of them might have called on their higher selves once in the presence of the child and not been able to act on violating the child. That would be worthy of some respect. But violating a child is such a devastatingly immoral act and harm that I am comfortable intercepting predators as soon as they act and not waiting for them to commit more heinous acts.
Meet a kid, plan and talk about raping him or her vs. raping him or her, it's all basically the same to me. We've found a predator willing to act. he needs to be removed from society.
So many of these twisted folks are blasting everyone but pervert ed. Well, ed is not just recorded on text, but also on a very graphic voice tape recording.
The girls apparently snuck out of the house after everyone went to bed. Ed had apparently been trolling MySpace looking for children and happened upon her site. And just as you said, the excitement of an older person giving her attention was attractive.
Ed has lied about the incident but there is too much evidence. He is apparently saying that nothing ever happened. According to the recordings, he did quite a bit, enough to charge him with ten counts. And because the girls were too young he could not vaginally penetrate, but certainly did elsewhere.
The law does not allow for a 12 or 14 year old to consent, they do not have the capacity to do so mentally or emotionally. The victim-bashers on here are truly disgusting. Ed will have a lot of time to think about his tryst with the little girls, I hope he enjoyed it.
So the twisted on here can say what they want about the case "taking on water", but there is a mountain of evidence. And since this is a "strict liability" crime, consent by the little girls is inadmissible as a defense. Ed will be much safer in jail. If for any reason he does not go away for a long time, I predict a short and unhappy life for him. Someone will find him and mete out some street justice...
I just looking on here wasnt looking to write. Is there evid I thought they all had sex. Look at the front of this article.
Do you feel like big men by trashing the 12 year old victim? If she was as messed up as you say then is it better, or worse, that pervert ed chose her as his girlfriend?
And Mike, maybe you should try a spell and grammar-check. In addition to idiotic comments, you have the communication skills of a third-grader...
Strangers I can sit here and discuss, albeit heatedly. So what would my reaction be if my dearest male bud or even my brother was picked up on his way to hook up with a child? I think maybe I would not be able to resist pounding the living fuck out of him the moment I set eyes on him. Scares me but there it is.
Violating kids trips something primal in otherwise civilized people.
I hope Ed's kids are being protected during all this and that some competent adults are managing the dynamics at school.
It should matter to everyone. Some of the discussion here has been on prevention, which is the way to stop this.
Loser ed was arrested for ten counts of lewd and lascivious battery. The fact that he went back for another tryst with the twelve year old, and graphically described on a recorded telephone call with the twelve year old, are all evidence of his crimes. How would these morons feel if this happened to their own children, or ed's children? They call themselves good parents and yet they can't put together a coherent sentence...
Offenders run the gamut in what they do.
Actually what we've been bickering about is how to state his offense so we don't exaggerate what he did to be sensational. What he did was bad enough. "Statutory Rape" often gets shortened to "rape" and "sex" becomes a catch all for any sexual activity. Discussions become confused.
Many of us are parents too. Others are invested citizens. After clarifying the hard evidence, facts based on recorded messages and the guy meeting police thinking it was the girl, we were talking about whether or not we really care what base he got to with her or how far he meant to go with her. Meeting a kid twice for sexual activity is enough for many of us to revile him.
Many of us are willing to blast him based on the intentions he acted on rather than the degree to which he was able to successfully violate the girl.
Laurie, it sounds like any specific details around are rumor. Maybe explicit details were not released to protect he child. Or maybe those allegations are more difficult to prove.
Florida law:
4) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY.--A person who:
(a) Engages in sexual activity with a person 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age; or
(b) Encourages, forces, or entices any person less than 16 years of age to engage in sadomasochistic abuse, sexual bestiality, prostitution, or any other act involving sexual activity
There is a news report of DNA evidence found "on her clothing."
Should we not be concerned about how our legal system handle child sexual assault and the alleged asssailants? We no longer put someone away just because a child said so because that tact destroyed innocent lives. So how are these cases handled? We who care about kids want to know.
www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/26/12-year-olds-shouldnt-have-myspace-pages/
Law enforcement officials said they also have recordings of Oberwise's alleged X-rated conversations with John's daughter, as well as DNA evidence recovered from the girl's clothing.
Wow, another of ed's buddies. This is not hard to figure out, if you have half a brain:
Ed met the little girls on January 8, got them in his mom's jeep, trapped them with child-proof locks and repeatedly sexually assaulted them.
Then ed returned on January 8 to "meet the 12 year old for more sex".
No confusion there, unless you are easily confused...
Any statements regarding what went on in the vehicle with the two girls is all "heresay," I believe. "Assertions made by human beings are naturally unreliable." (law) From what I can tell, no one knows. Some people seem to be implying the parents are inflating the accounts. And of course Ed is denying or diminishing them.
I'm not an expert, but as I understand it, judges don't decide guilt or innocence in these cases. People are entitled to bail despite most evidence, especially if they deny the charges. They are assumed innocent, and with the judge not deciding guilt, we can't keep innocent people in jail.
And let's face it, unless a rape victim is horribly beaten and creatively violated, the horror factor is considered much less. It seems that he did not abduct, beat and penetrate her violently, so coaxing a little girl out of her house and leaving bodily fluid on her clothes is not seen as such a horrible violation. People are set free for worse.
As u know my kids go to the same school as yours. My kids and other parents in the same school had forbidden their kids to interact with yours. I hope to god this did not happen. But she needed help way before this. I just hope she did not use this to act out.
I am not trying to be a asshole in a case like this. But it just seems like some people that act like they know what happen are telling different things. I talk to some here and there, it helps become a better parent. Its like a refresher for a parent what could happen. I have 3 little kids. But if my kid pulled at 12 yrs old some of the shit this kid did to others in school, I would have beat the living shit out of her. Yes there are many people even knowing the 12 yr old that thinks this is inflated. I have to go off what I see. And find out. Its just a sad all around case.
Just as a example, you said the Jeep was heresay. DNA on her clothes. I can tell you that it can be extracted and sent to a lab and results in 48 hours along with spit or sperm. It has happen in many other cases that there is a match and very easy to test that person. It just seems like everyone is going through the here say thing. It makes the case look big.
As for the DNA, a 48 hour turn around is certainly possible. But what would those results mean if officials chose to release them? Only a trial by a jury of his peers or a plea by him would decide his guilt. Even semen on undergarments would not prove his guilt unless a selected jury decided it did. Not even a judge can decide that, unless Ed agrees to let a judge decide.
We have no idea what that evidence was or what activity it proved, whether it was semen on under garments or whether he sneezed on her sweater. Not wanting to "make thecase look big" many of us have decided we don't even care what went on in the vehicle. We are angry enough about what the evidence shows he did do.
So are you protesting the entrapment aspect?
"Beating the living shit" out of a kid generally creates a disturbed trouble-maker with diminished ability to empathize with others. That's how a lot of criminals are made. Also, it is illegal.
We have heard plenty from people who feel she is disturbed. It is in all likelihood true. Healthy, happy 12 year olds don't often fall to the coaxing of predators, so there's some evidence of her problems. But we're separating the issues. Ed's behavior and her behavior are not related. Seriously.
Effective predators choose fucked up kids. It's a smart move. Chances are a predator simply could not coax a happy, healthy, successful, supported kid out of her house.
A predator has been caught. Whatever acts he is successfully prosecuted for will determine his sentence and treatment, but her behavior will not be taken into account because she is 12.
There are things 12 year olds can and cannot be accountable for. Sneaking out, lying, all those things should get her trouble, like removal of internet priviledges and fewer freedom of movement. But she is in no way responsible for what Ed did. Had she, in her disturbed way, flirted with and enticed a healthy, caring adult man, she would have learned a valuable life lesson not only about acceptible behavior, but also that her value is in more than her sex appeal and that men are not mindless pigs.
All young girls flirt and entice to explore their own power and also to discover the nature of grown men. Men should know this. Men teach a girl a precious and necessary lesson when they reject such overtures. It's a crucial experiment for girls in a culture that shows females' primary worth to be as sexual objects. So let's do our job and insist other men do it too. Or send them to jail.
Why is it everyone asks "where were the parents?" Because we know kids are generally incapable, confused, nuts, and in dire need of limitations and guidance.
12 year olds are not competent enough to be put in a position to take "blame" for many actions at all.
If she was in as much trouble as it sounds like, her school let her down.
Ever notice how when a kid isn't likable we are willing to have adult expectations of him or her years before he or she is actually capable? Ever notice how we turn our backs on kids with unattractive problems? Often they're sexual issues, because while we're willing to ogle and promote the sexiness of young people, we're often puritanical when considering the sexual development of kids. "Sluts" get written off early. Those girls' problems just get worse.
When 12 year olds behave in beastly ways, the correct reaction is to insist that child gets help, attention, expert intervention and careful expectations placed on her, not to ostracize and villify her.
We have no idea how thischild came to be as she is. We may never know. But as a child, she deserve our unreserved support.
Can you be specific as to what this kid "did to others at school"?
Are you a counselor or psychologist? You seem to have some great insight. I was a trouble kid and I eventually turned my life around. This child has had a rough life and she is in counseling.
I know what most people see. They see surly badasses with care for no one but themselves. In my experience, that's all cover. I see their helplessness and rage, their tears and impotence and hurt.
I firmly believe that we make our criminals. I also think we don't take into account how mixed up and confused nigh on to insanity teens are. It's a crazy time for them. They needs lots of positive and emphatic adult attention.
I also think kids are deceptively easy. They are all ravenous for love and approval no matter what they say or do. Love them, pay great quantities of attention to them, and have explicit and immovable expectations, and they are almost all helpless to do anything but be good.
What's your story as a troubled kid, Sparky?
Juris. Apparently, some of the people here know this girl's last name. Some said they got it from HCSO deputies. That would be a sad thing, if deputies gave up a minor victim in a sexual assault case.
Also, to the best of my knowledge, nobody's parents ever forbade their kids from playing with the children. All of this indicates to me that these jokers are probably pals of child rapist ed. He knows her name, and he knows her school.
How disturbing is that? The state attorney's office today said most of the bloggers on this site are probably friends and relatives of the perpetrator. They are still looking for the "friend" from gibsonton who was going to lend his home or apartment for their next rendevous...
What the hell is this guy talking about.
I hope none of your children, N/A get into any kind of trouble and you are never faced with being ostracized. It causes a great deal of damage.
After reading the article, it seems there were issues with communication within the family, along with letting a 12 year old have what they want. Easy for me to say - 12 year olds can be very difficult.
I am not one of Ed's buddies - I live in New York, where this behavior would be called what it is....RAPE. I am a survivor who is trying to get people to stop and think about what we do on a daily basis that feeds into this problem.
Thank you for your most recent post Trent, on the dangers and ways to combat this happening to your children via myspace. Some of the suggestions, I believe, I posted earlier. However, let us not be secure in thinking that only myspace is the danger. Offenders lurk in all of society; they are lawyers, teachers, doctors, clerks in stores, photographers etc.
Parents are the first line of defense against predators, and even then, some kids will be abused. This has been happening since man has inhabited earth. That is why we need good treatment programs, and better curriculums in schools. Not necessarily to teach sex education, that would be nice so that every knows specifically what the rules are, but curriculums that teach kids about life in general, and what our role is here on this earth, and how our daily decisions impact us for years; Like anti-bullying and tolerance education. All of this is connected. If someone feels good about themselves, chances are they will not be looking for something to make them feel good about themselves, as you have pointed out Dan. In any case, parents need to talk WITH their kids, not at them. We need to have good discussions about self respect and what it means to have relationships with people, and what our instincts tell us about others. We all need to get on board with protecting our children. Unfortunately, many parents do not have a clue.
looks like Sparky studied law of some sort. And also that he is a more effective internet researcher than I am. He seems to have more up to date info on the investigation. Sparky, can we get read those stories?
I always wonder who investigates these discussions. Once we had a bona fide pedophile writing on the Kelsey Peterson case, but he got scared away.
We do (or did for a while) have some Ed supporters. It's got to be so confusing to have a friend or a friendly acquaintance do something like this. Think of how many times friends and neighbors are shocked when a "nice guy" or "family man" does something horrible. People keep secrets.
I'll play devils advocate on the ostracizing question. I've known some really bad kids. They're scary. They're out of control. They can be mean, bully, threaten. Kids are sometimes too scared to interact with the kid, or they can be scared of being implicated in misdeeds. so they steer clear. And to be fair, parents, me included, often tell their kids to avoid associating with kids who get involved in certain behaviors, drugs, bullying, slander, shoplifting, whatever. However this girl's bad decision-making manifest itself, it must have been enough for kids to think it best to avoid her. That's when relationships need to be facilitated by an adult. And the real problem would be those kids participating in any harmful labeling, retribution bullying from the safety of a group. Parents should be carefully explaining that this girl is troubled, has unmet needs, and deserves fairness and caring. I would tell that to a kid in the same breath I might insist he or she not be alone with the troubled kid in question. Care, respect, fairness, but still be wary of personal safety, even if its only emotional safety.
We haven't heard what her rep was specifically, but even a kid who is simply a loud mouth with poor judgement can wreak a lot of painful havoc on 12 year old peers. Many 12 year olds are very unsophisticated (rightly so) and not ready for a peer who has seen too much too soon.
Its not a case of being poor parents. You have kids too. Life is a lot of time to support a family and some jobs suck were there is very little family life. I am making this quick but why parents did not want their kids hanging around is some things that were brought up. It leads to trouble. If I was one of these parents I would have told you or brought light to it. There just as much to blame.
Well when sparky was studing his grammer, I was watching my kids. Sound better?
Many ills come from our hell-bent desire to find people either good OR bad rather than a subtle mix of selfish and selfless, petty and deep. Parents tend to see kids as either good or bad, kids labeled good get far too little support and kids labeld bad are doomed by other's bad feelings about them.
Parents are just naive. A "good" kid can lie and still be good. A good kid can get up to trouble on the internet. These things are to be expected. When your kid lies to you, he or she is not a villian. Kids explore limitations. They need firm supervision/support and forgiveness.
So your 12 year old is hanging with this sweet, friendly, seemingly mature 14 year old. Many parents might permit the sleepover without meeting the parents. And truly, what would meeting the parents tell them? It's a perfuctory act.
I thought I was so hip. I watched my daughter like a skillfully surrepticious hawk. I know what can be in peoples' hearts. Then we got our first computer about 10 years ago when she was an early teen. Being a tech nimrod, I got the prescribed nannying software. We talked, all the time, about everything. Still, somehow she found her self chatting with a 13 year old boy who used the phrase "word to your mother," among others. I chatted him and figured he was a man about my age. So scary. Hip me and my kid chatting with a perv.
Fact is, parenting today is complicated, especially with technology, media messages, outlets to encourage spending that create lots of free locations for kids. Take this immensely complicated job and add to it the fact that teens are nuts. They're sure they're adults and we don't get them and yet they believe nothing bad can ever happen to them because we've protected them so well. With this feeling of imperviousnes and biologically compelled to alienate their parents, they go out into these multi-faceted venues to experiment with life and themselves.
Parenting is hard, kids are crazy. When they go to these venues, internet, malls, coffee shops, school events, we are giving them the short leash to experiment with freedom as they must. True learning comes from mistakes, so in essence we are setting them free to make mistakes. Those mistakes could include lying about where they are, staying out too late, failing to do school work, skipping school or a practice, doing self-distructive things like drinking or smoking, maybe joining in group meanness, heck even shoplifting or toilet papering a tree. Maybe they eat too many hotdogs and puke. Stupid shit in the scheme of things. All these things can be mistakes kids learn from. What we do not need is predators out in these places we send our kids on their little leashes to learn how to handle life without us. Our system is one that relies on trust, trust breached, understood, then reformed stronger.
We need places were kids may engage risk safely. We can't have predators hunt them there. Neither parents nor kids are equipped for that. For this reason, when a person preys, he or she needs to be removed from the equation as utterly as possible.
It sounds like when your kid was in third-grade, you were in second grade. You were watching your kids because you walked to school together.
And by the way, the parents knew each other for years.
Dan, my take on this is that some of those attacking (the parents, children...) are friends of ed. Ed probably provided them with some of their "inside info"... One of them is probably the loser who was going to loan ed his apartment in Gibsonton so he could sexually assault the twelve year old again, he may even have been a waiting participant.
The parents definitely have responsibility in this, if you read the article, you know what that is.
I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, abused by a teenage neighbor at the age of 5-6, which led me to make many unhealthy choices throughout my teenage and young adult years. It is a miracle that I am here today. I have been a volunteer for Rape Crisis, and also given workshops on childhood sexual abuse prevention, testified at legislative hearings, and speak out whenever I can.
The other people who posted who may be questioning intent, etc., and who may be viewed as 'attacking' the 12 year old, could be considered ignorant, or uneducated in this area. But, just because we question the circumstances, does not mean we are attacking. Much of what Dan says is true, although some of what he says I do not agree with. He is coming from a position of authority over kids, and he works with troubled kids. We all bring different experience to this blog.
Your lumping together, of all the people on this blog, just because people are wondering about the circumstances, truly illustrates the problem of how, until we look at each situation individually, the vast changes we need will not happen. We cannot and should not lump all offenders or sexual offenses together. We need to differentiate, and we need to educate.
I resent the implication that because I choose to look at the bigger picture of what has happened, and happens everyday in our county, that I am a friend of Ed's.
We must know too, that Ed was a child at one point in time, and he must have turned to this type of behavior for a reason. Was this type of behavior acceptable in his home? What about relatives? Until we can figure out how to stop offenders before they become hard-core adult offenders, nothing will change. We know what doesn't work, and we have some inclination on what will work, but as Dan has pointed out, our society and laws do not look at the different types of offenders and subtle nuances that are a major part of sexual offenses.
In order for society to truly make a change, we must look at the whole picture. Not just the victim, not just the offender, but ourselves as well. Turn on the TV, look at magazines, listen to music, etc etc. We adults allow all of these things. Our consumerism rules.
The number of kids that are abused in their homes everyday, shows that we are not looking in the mirror. That is where the real problem lies.
The other major issue is that we spend so much time on the offenders, why don't we spend just as much time on the victims?
Desperately needed services are not in place for victims. I, as a survivor, get sick looking at the news, reading the papers etc. because that is all you see - sex offenders. Talk about opening old wounds. And then, we offer no new hope for victims/survivors - some people blame the victim. A child is never at fault for what an adult does - but a child does make mistakes. And they will need help so they do not continue to make the same mistakes, or move on to commit worse crimes against themselves or others. A question in itself does not point to the victim with blame.
I often wonder why, with all the under-age teenage pregnancy in our country, all the 'men' who impregnated these teenagers, aren't arrested and charged with rape?
And I am not aware of any parents who won't let their kids play with these girls. Right now, both sets of parents have laid down the nuclear option, meaning no telephone, no computer, no unsupervised activity period.
You act like you know a lot but it sounds like you are pretty ignorant. And we could probably fill a library with all the things your kids do without you knowing about it.
This is not about my kids, who are, thankfully, mature adults. We had our bumps during the teenage years, but we did manage to avoid offenders because I was hyper-vigilant with my kids. My daughter especially resented it. At the age of 24, she now understands.
Mike&Mike - I read the stories and all the posts. I do believe that Ed is a predator, and should remain in prison for the rest of his life. No matter what the 12 year old did. I am not saying that I blame the victims, Ed is at fault. Raping a 12 year old??? There is no excuse. I also find it interesting that Florida law does not call it Rape.
Parents must take all the necessary steps to keep their kids safe. Even then, some will come to harm. But, we must be willing to look at the bigger picture to make a change for the better. The only way we learn is by our mistakes. Hormones and lack of positive activities for teenagers are a dangerous mix. Kids do crazy things, and adults are supposed to be responsible.
If this was my daughter, I would be doing the same things you have said the parents are doing now. I would also look inward, to see what I could have done differently. I would also make sure my daughter, and my family are in treatment. Hopefully, the young woman will not end up pregnant by the age of 16. This is how it happens...obviously, Ed was exhibiting behavior many years before he was caught. No one noticed? Hmmmm.....Or, did he think it was normal?
Why doesn't anyone seem to care about prevention? We only seem to care about the crime, after it has occurred.
Actually, when I train people who work with kids, I teach how to facilitate learning without control, authority or punishment relying instead on relationship and natural consequences.
Parent responsibility is a perfect ideal. Certainly all of us parents could use better tools and more knowledge. But I've met many many pretty inept parents who relied solely on the ineffective models they were brought up with. We should blame them and educate them as appropriate, but if we're trying to make a difference, we need to make a plan that incorporate s wide spread parental ineptitude.
I'm looking for a study supporting my impression that many more people with special needs and mental health problems have kids, in greater numbers, these days....
I also believe we need to account for the real limitations to implimentation when we create policies and laws. We can't allow too much human interpretation into these cases. Thats why states work so hard to select and make widely know age of consent. We need firm lines for many reasons. Young men, emotionally disturbed men, even most mentally retarded men know: you don't mess with kids sexually. It's not just a law, it's taboo.
One thing that's crucial for a victim is how the assault is framed for them. Accuracy and perspective are crucial. For a variety of reasons, I believe only forced intercourse should be called rape.
Especially with kids, sexual assault victims sometimes take more trauma from the reaction and treatment after the assault than from the assault itself.
Prevention. Practicing pedophiles start around 14. These people need and deserve treatment before they hurt a child.
Forget about everything else - if this happened to YOUR daughter - would you really want OTHER parents and their kids talking about it and making judgements and assumptions that are likely wrong? The point is NOT about what the kids' reputations were or about what her behavior in school was or about which parents let their kids spend the night at someone's house. Can you get it through your heads that the ONLY issue here is that Ed is a sexual predator and opportunist. Yes - parents - be hypervigilant with your kids and know what they are doing, but ultimately - if someone wants to victimize them, they are going to try and get around all of that. It really sickens me that there are parents on this site, some of whom have children who know the victims, who are even hinting at the possibility that Ed is not 100% to blame. Parents - be role models to your children and stop the gossiping and vicious rumor mill - show compassion where it belongs, to the kids.
And jay, thanks for the notes about "other parents". I happen to be one of the "other parents" and I haven't run into any of this. If anything, the victim has been told to stay away from many of the kids at her middle school because they are not very nice.and pick on her.
Probably not your kids though because she is in advanced classes and if your kids take after you, they are in remedial classes...
I am not blasting you. I will not talk about parents. They have just mentioned alot of things concerning the matter. And I agreed.
Yep, I counsel the most messed up kids. When I find empathy and conscience, a kid can be healed and learn to be a happy,contributing member of society. With the exception of sociopaths, I can think of no cases where a “bad” kid with diminished empathy and conscience didn’t have those necessary qualities systematically deadened by verbal, physical, and/or sexual abuse.
Counseling kids puts you in an authority position - period. You should know that.
Or, do you only train the people who work with kids? Which is it?
And, why the attack on me? Just want to spread the warm fuzzies around?
And then we wonder why our society is so fucked up????
Sometimes I read too fast because there is so much to read - and I misunderstand.
You offer a lot of information. It is much to process.
Check out the fight
No more stories or what?
It got old and twisted. But you can meet us on some other sites. U will see our names. Come chat. Later.....................
No more chat or what.
Meet us on some better sites. There was way too much bullshit in these stories. Dan I saw you in other sites and wrote back, I thinkl the web the story was on never took. Still cant get on. You still there
You have a suggested site for me?
I hate to be wrong again , but is this the same Cindy that I talked to on other sites?????
I read what you wrote and its probably right. I know media and stories are added to, to work in the states favor, but why twist out of proportion
Kids younger than 14 just try on behavior and identity. They're not invested or attached to it yet. Once they've been rewarded for it, they tend to get attached to it, but 12, 13, someone just needs to say "no" and damn well mean it.
12 year olds, gangs, what a joke. 16, not such a joke, but 12. Gimmee a break. Some adults are just being absurdly lazy.
You say they're stupid. OK. But our kids and their have to live with them. They're having kids and using these philosophies withthem, then we wonder why kid culture is such a mess.
There will be no plea bargain unless both families agree to one, and they will not. They have physical and recorded evidence of easy ed admitting to having sex with the 12 year old.
In eddie's favor, he has a judge who has shown a history of leniency toward child molesters. However, judge padgett is retiring, probably before this case goes to trial. I would imagine the families will not agree to any plea bargain that does not guarantee child-raper eddie at least ten years served in the pen. BTW, ALL charges are still pending.
Also, the children eddie molested come from very upper middle-class families. Any "kids" feeding you with information obviously don't know anything...
What came to light on all this and every thing in to consideration, I hate to burst your bubble but I even feel this is not going anywhere.
The state attorney is pressing charges on all counts, and will make no plea agreement without consent of both sets of parents. Both of the little girls that ed victimized are in counseling. Not sure "what came to light" but it sounds like you are basing your innuendos on gossip from children. I guess in your mind, that is enough to exonerate ed; however, the assault of little girls is a strict liability crime in Florida, with the only thing needed to be determined is a: did the act occur (it did) and, b: the amount of jail time. Ed will see some serious time in the penitentiary, if he is lucky. There are some really nasty people just laying low right now, waiting for the right opportunity to give ed some street justice.
It is both factors kids and parents. Never said that I am not all for you. This stuff happens and should be put to the max. I have worked in with the state on these type cases. Since I run my own business. From what I see, don't be disappointed in the outcome.
Sensitive, that is not it. Concern just like every other parent would be yes. Nobody is friends from what I know. I have kids. I would feel the same as u do maybe worse. But for now you should focus on your kid or kids and only have your immed family living in your house. Your family is the main focus.
I feel you are talking to a wall.
I was just saying it a nice way. What I was saying instead of dragging the girl through every mud puddle, this case will be open and shut case. I do want to say thank god this girl did not get killed. On the other hand it is a wake up call. I do believe there are more than just the 3 people. 2 kids one adult. I do look for the kids in every case.
I did not say anything about what was being told. All I said was Sparky is only seeing the surface. When I said the wall.
Did I not see that someone back on this page told you if your kid acts up and u do beat the shit out of him, it is illegal.
Why I said to Sparky about help starts from home. I do not believe in help. Most times they put kids on drugs. It should be instilled in the kids. You are talking about yesturday talks.
That's because it's easy to be a moral giant on a blog. I would bet donuts to dollars that you have had your issues too.
This is why I stopped paying attention to this board, because of morons like you. Ed will be brought to justice, the only question is how. And yes, the kid(s) were messed up but you don't know chit about their situations.
So until you know the truth, why not prostelyze to your own dysfunctional family? I hear all about them from the other kids in the school, you know...
I believe what has happened is that there are so many more people, and every offender (like Ed) that has a victim, usually has many victims, and then some of the victims will abuse...and on and on it goes. Or, some of the victims will be perpetual victims, and on and on it goes.
I do agree that we did not tell our parents to go fuck themselves...but there were many father/son, mother/daugher, parent/child fights in households. Rebellion is not new either...
Not to mention the wonderful computer that brings all this and more into our homes.
Another one lost.
Poor spelling.
All caps.
No puncuation.
AOL user.
I think that someone else needs to grow up.
This site is filled with people that supposedly are decent people. To the best of my knowledge only one was acquitted.
ed is a deviant sexual predator. He has admitted to all of his crimes, and there is lots of evidence. He knowingly had sex with a 12 year old, and was coming back for seconds. I really hope someone gets their hands on him in prison and shows ed what it feels like to "have trouble getting it inside of you" as ed put it on his tape recorded calls to the HCSO.
Ed is toast. And so is anyone who hangs too close to him. There are some really nasty people who are watching this case, and ed, as we speak. Ed would be better off offing himself...
ed is a deviant sexual predator. He has admitted on tape to all of his crimes, and there is lots of evidence. He knowingly had sex with a 12 year old, and was coming back for seconds. I really hope someone gets their hands on him in prison and shows ed what it feels like to "have trouble getting it inside of you" as ed put it on his tape recorded calls to the HCSO.
Ed is toast. And so is anyone who hangs too close to him. There are some really nasty people who are watching this case, and ed, as we speak. Ed would be better off offing himself...
LOL, wait until his recording and text messages come out... all you morons who believe his lies, I wonder what you will do then? Go back to blaming the little girls?
Friend of ed the pervert, are you? And who is Newton or Reese? Well, your "friend the cop" is misinformed - and so are you. And my kids would also be instructed to stay away from you and your trailer trash family. Clearly you didn't pass middle school, judging by your grammar...
Comforting that an officer would be sharing that info, if you were telling the truth... based on your info, however, it's clear you are lying. In any event, I'll forward this to the HCSO so they can determine if any deputies would share info with a civilian.
Why don't you check with the prosecutor's office? Pervert ed is facing a bunch of hard time...
Even though your info is incorrect, I forwarded your note to the lead detective in the case. An allegation that a police officer is sharing police reports regarding a sexual assault on a 12 year old is disturbing. He said they are considering tracking you down via your email address and ISP. If your husband really is a police officer, he may be suspended and/or terminated.
Thanks for the info!
You know Sparky - there is a better way to communicate with people.
Then why haven't charges been dropped? All charges are pending. You geniuses can believe what you want.
Ed would be far better off pleading guilty. Or offing himself. Because if for some unknown reason he skates, it will be bad for him. Very bad. He will wish he was never born. So will his girlfriend and children.
Child rapist ed knows the truth. He admitted it. In your mind, how do you reconcile the fact that he was caught coming backfor a second round of sex with the TWELVE YEAR OLD?
Or that he is recorded talking about their first encounter, or that he told her he wanted her to shave her pubic hair? All recorded. What is your explaination for that?
Individuals like jay, mike, janet and kimberly. I am guessing they are all either molesters themselves, or friends of the molester. Maybe you can all get together and share your molestation stories. Or blame some children for what you, or your friends, have done. You lowlife creeps.
If what you are saying is true, this man should be locked up forever. If he is not locked up and doesn't receive any type of treatment, and something else happens to another child, then the state that locked him up should be held accountable for releasing him.
What does all of this sexual deviation and dysfunction say about our society? We seem to keep creating them. Castration does not help. Rehabilitation works in specific cases. We do not have enough in the way of research that tells us who will commit these types of crimes, and never stop.
An interesting article about teens and sex -
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/07/08/teen.dating.abuse/
These girls will need years of therapy.
You made some good points. And you are very right. The state would be responsible for him if there was this hard evid against him and he was still out on bail. Recording are not hard evid. That is why maybe this is hitting the bottom in a building block for the state. Who knows, who cares.............
He is out on bail, all ten felony charges are still pending. And I have listened to the recordings. They are chilling. He converses with the 12 year old like she is his girlfriend. She asks if she is going to get pregnant and he says no, I pulled out. She asks if the BJ was good and he says it was great. And he tells her he wants her to shave her pubic hair. This is a 12 year old, and he knows it.
Ed knows it, and I think his buddies jay and kimberly know it too. Ed needs to take his own life. Things are going to get very bad for him, and those around him. There are some very bad people in Hillsborough County and Pinellas County who are waiting to see how this plays out. If ed for any reason walks, well... I really hope his buddies jay and kimberly are around when it goes down. I would be happy if they were "collateral damage"...
I never knew you were friends with this guy. Just kidding. This guy was full of shit from the start. He should work for Hillsborgh sheriff dept. This is the 3 rd case in a month they are full of shit.
I never knew you were friends with this guy. Just kidding. This guy was full of shit from the start. He should work for Hillsborgh sheriff dept. This is the 3 rd case in a month they are full of shit.
1. Why was ed engaging in sexual solicitation with two little girls via MySpace and cell phone texts?
2. Why did ed pick two little girls up in a park after midnight, and then why did he drive them to a remote parking lot?
3. Why did ed continue to text sexual conversations with the little girls AFTER his initial meeting with them?
4. Why does ed say, in a conversation recorded by the HCSO, that the blowjob by the 12 year old was great, for her not to worry because she will not get pregnant, for her to shave her pubic hair for their next meeting, and more?
5. What was ed doing back at the same park that Friday, after arranging the meeting with the 12 year old, which was recorded by the HCSO?
First you blamed the little girls;
Next you blamed the parents;
Now you say it is a flimsy case that never happened.
There is plenty of factual evidence for ed to go to jail for a long time. Once in prison, someone will kill ed. If he happens to slither out of this, someone will get him on the outside.
Ed should do the world a favor and just off himself. Maybe he can take a few of you with him, you slimeballs.
If u are still on this send me a instant message. As for the case its old and who cares.
So just do it ed!
I despise these people are much as you do, but what exactly do you have to gain by suing the internet? Is this just an attempt to cash in or is it genuine?
I think this sick 37 year old would be molesting 12 year olds even if Myspace never existed, only he'd be more likely to get away with it because there would be no papertrail and no evidence.
There is nothing we can do to stop this beyond keeping 12 year olds off social networking sites. There is no excuse for allowing 12 year olds to mingle with 37 year olds on a dating site like Myspace. Facebook is part of the problem too, in their attempt to be greedy they changed their site from being a site which only allowed college students to being a site filled with childrens profiles.
If you truly want to sue the site, something needs to be done to keep children off of dating sites, children do not belong on Myspace or Facebook anymore than they belong in casinos and bars.
I was just going off this whole page I read. I am no friend or sticking up for anybody. I feel u are lost. This guy would be behind bars on his first 2 court hearings. Just saying stuff is not enough. Are we all lost or is there a DNA link to him. If that is a fact I personally would be asking questions on why he is not behind bars. From what I saw, I can say honestly not to burst the bubble, but u are pissing in the wind. Good luck!!!
with that said, myspace is a tool that predators use to hook up with their victims. if it wasnt myspace it would be some other site. i do not believe myspace is at fault nor should it be demonized. kids need to be educated and monitored on internet safety. i allow my 13 yo daughter to have a myspace. this does not make me a bad parent.
it is private, noone not on her friend list can contact her, there are strict rules about who can be on her friend list. i must know them before they can be accepted as friends. no bands, no fan pages. i have the password and closely monitor all correspondance as well as her friends bulletins and profiles. if i see something questionable i am the 1st one to inform another parent.
myspace is an effective tool for her to keep in contact with her friends and family spread through the US.
my daughter may not always like the lack of privacy but she has the option to choose not to have a myspace. if she wants access to these sites then the condition is full disclosure to her parents. I also have spyware on her PC that records every keystroke and page visited.
my methods may be extreme, but i am not too lazy to parent my child. teach her right from wrong, and protect her.
she also visits pages like this with me so that she is aware of the predators out there who have the advantage over her because of her innocent and naivety.
also... trench are jay, mike and mike, chris and n/a all from the same IP?? lol. they seem to have the same bad grammar and stupidity.
Did u not read jackie comment. There is so much bullshit on this.
I do not sit and stare at my fingers typing Jackie. And this is not work related. Also I will say what I have to say. Put it together. You seem like a real sack of potato's. So does the twisting of this story TRENCH
After contacting the children via MySpace and text messaging, sleazebag pervert child molester ed met the little girls, had sex with them, then went on his way.
Ed then made arrangements to meet the 12 year old again for a second molestation and sexual battery against a child. The HCSO recorded his conversations and waited for degenerate ed at the meeting place.
ed showed up at the place and the HCSO took him down. Plenty of evidence to convict him of all counts, including his own words describing his sexual encounter with the 12 year old.
ed is a monster and all of you that defend ed are lowlife scum. I guess you all believe it is okay to lure and have sex with little girls. I hope it happens to your kids. Then we'll see how you feel...